Ep. 120: American Biscuits

[00:00:04] Welcome to Ink Drinkers, a literary tea party podcast where we discuss books and drink tea.

[00:00:30] So I had a dream last night that I was back in Orlando and back in college, but I didn't

[00:00:36] really realize that I was back there for college.

[00:00:39] I just thought I was just back hanging out in Orlando and then I realized that I was

[00:00:43] enrolled in like five classes and I checked my grades online and it was like 68% in all

[00:00:51] of them.

[00:00:52] And I was like, oh God, what am I going to do?

[00:00:54] It's always such a bad dream.

[00:00:55] I feel like I have that dream pretty regularly.

[00:00:58] Pretty frequently.

[00:00:59] Like I'm either in high school or college and I'm enrolled in like a science or math

[00:01:03] and I'm like, I haven't been going to that.

[00:01:05] Yeah.

[00:01:06] I don't even realize I didn't realize I was in this math class and like how

[00:01:10] am I going to pass?

[00:01:13] Yeah.

[00:01:14] And I'm anxious, but I'm also just like, well, I don't know.

[00:01:20] Yeah, I just got to figure this out.

[00:01:21] It's much less than real life would be.

[00:01:22] That would be like so crazy, but I'm just like, well, I guess I should start going,

[00:01:28] but I don't know how to go and I don't know where it is and I don't know anything

[00:01:32] about it.

[00:01:33] I've had a dream before that St. Joe's, our high school came back and said that

[00:01:37] like our whole grade had to reduce senior year for some reason.

[00:01:41] I'll do that.

[00:01:42] And I was like, I'm into it.

[00:01:44] I was like, are we all supposed to just quit our jobs for a year?

[00:01:48] Like how is this going to work?

[00:01:49] I don't understand.

[00:01:50] And they're like, you just have to figure it out.

[00:01:55] Can you imagine all of us going back?

[00:01:58] No.

[00:02:00] It honestly would probably be, I think people would be nicer and do you feel

[00:02:07] like people were mean in high school?

[00:02:10] I don't know that I would say mean.

[00:02:12] I think people seemed a little catty.

[00:02:14] Yeah.

[00:02:15] Um, and just kind of, you know, your children care about things that you

[00:02:20] don't care about later, you know, that really don't matter.

[00:02:23] Yeah, they don't matter.

[00:02:24] Yeah.

[00:02:25] So I just think, um, I think it'd be interesting.

[00:02:28] I think it'd be fun to have like a weekend where we all went back

[00:02:34] and we didn't like do classes obviously, but we just kind of hung out

[00:02:38] and I don't know.

[00:02:39] Yeah.

[00:02:40] I think it'd be fun to see like how things worked out.

[00:02:44] I mean, I guess that's what they do when they have socials and stuff.

[00:02:47] Yeah, but I enjoyed the social that we went to.

[00:02:50] I wish you would have come.

[00:02:51] I know.

[00:02:52] I wish I would have too, but it just like totally like slipped my mind.

[00:02:56] It was fun.

[00:02:57] It was a wine tasting wine pairing and they did like a tasting

[00:03:01] with like cheeses and stuff and then she's the lady that did it

[00:03:06] and sent us, um, the notes after so that we would know where she

[00:03:10] got the wine, what wine, what cheese she paired it with, where she

[00:03:13] bought the cheese in town and stuff like that.

[00:03:15] That was kind of cool.

[00:03:16] Do you remember during COVID they did like a wine and cheese

[00:03:18] pairing, but it was like at home and so Megan and Stephanie and I did

[00:03:23] it and they like sent or you had to go pick up your wine and

[00:03:26] cheese from the school and I think I picked up all three

[00:03:29] and then they came over to my house and we watched the zoom

[00:03:33] and we ended up like not watching the zoom and not paying

[00:03:37] attention.

[00:03:38] We ended up just drinking wine and eating cheese and catching

[00:03:40] up.

[00:03:41] But that's so really fun.

[00:03:42] It was really fun.

[00:03:43] That's a cool concept.

[00:03:44] I didn't even, I don't remember that.

[00:03:45] Yeah.

[00:03:46] Yeah, it was fun.

[00:03:47] They also did like an at home painting class.

[00:03:49] Like they actually did a lot of stuff.

[00:03:50] Yes, they did a lot of stuff.

[00:03:52] They did that sister Agatha Brownies baking.

[00:03:55] I remember that.

[00:03:56] Yeah, I remember that.

[00:03:57] They did a good job.

[00:03:59] I know.

[00:04:00] I know.

[00:04:01] We're eating biscuits right now.

[00:04:04] But like American American biscuits.

[00:04:06] Yes, we're not we're not British.

[00:04:08] So our biscuits are you know fluffy scones.

[00:04:12] Basically.

[00:04:15] But we're just here having a cozy morning eating our

[00:04:19] biscuits drinking our tea and we're about to talk about

[00:04:21] books.

[00:04:22] Yeah.

[00:04:23] And we've been looking at bookstore logos.

[00:04:25] Yeah.

[00:04:26] I mean what better?

[00:04:27] I don't know about anyone else having a better morning

[00:04:29] than us.

[00:04:30] So I really can't imagine it.

[00:04:34] And also looking at bookstore decor.

[00:04:37] Such a fun, such a fun thing to do.

[00:04:41] That will hopefully one day become a reality.

[00:04:44] It will.

[00:04:45] I know I was looking at like all the independent

[00:04:48] bookstore day posts and stuff like that on

[00:04:50] Instagram.

[00:04:51] I was like man hopefully next year that'll be me

[00:04:54] hosting independent bookstore day.

[00:04:58] Really though.

[00:04:59] Yeah, really?

[00:05:00] I know.

[00:05:01] Yes.

[00:05:02] I mean it's fun to think about.

[00:05:03] Yeah.

[00:05:04] As we chew our biscuits.

[00:05:06] I know.

[00:05:07] Nom nom nom nom nom.

[00:05:08] Okay.

[00:05:09] I don't know who goes first.

[00:05:11] I think me.

[00:05:12] Okay.

[00:05:13] All right.

[00:05:14] We'll go for it then.

[00:05:15] Sure.

[00:05:16] So I know I told you this before we started but

[00:05:18] this wasn't a five star for me unfortunately but

[00:05:20] we're here to talk about books that we really

[00:05:22] liked and books that weren't quite for us or

[00:05:24] that hit didn't hit the mark or whatever we had

[00:05:27] time to read.

[00:05:28] That too.

[00:05:29] This is The Heiress by Rachel Hawkins.

[00:05:33] I think it came out this year.

[00:05:35] She a thriller writer?

[00:05:36] Yes.

[00:05:37] Okay.

[00:05:38] I was kind of in the mood for something

[00:05:39] thriller-esque instead of a rom-com or

[00:05:43] something a little lighter.

[00:05:44] I was just like yeah I'm into it and I

[00:05:46] just kind of missed it.

[00:05:47] I think I've read novels like this before

[00:05:50] that were better that were done better

[00:05:52] and maybe if I hadn't read those I would

[00:05:54] have liked it a little bit more.

[00:05:56] I had good elements.

[00:05:57] I had a bunch of different narrators that

[00:06:00] narrated the characters which I sometimes

[00:06:02] like and it was okay but it wasn't like

[00:06:05] fantastically done in my opinion.

[00:06:08] It's really hard to impress me with a

[00:06:10] thriller these days.

[00:06:11] Yeah.

[00:06:12] And like my sister-in-law posted about

[00:06:14] Listen for the Lie on Facebook and she

[00:06:17] was like this is the best book I've

[00:06:19] read in a very long time and I was

[00:06:21] like okay I liked it until the end.

[00:06:25] I haven't read it.

[00:06:26] I know you haven't but I'm like I just

[00:06:29] can't.

[00:06:30] Yeah.

[00:06:31] It's usually the ending that I'm just

[00:06:32] like this is good, this is good.

[00:06:34] Oh okay.

[00:06:35] Yeah.

[00:06:36] I think I was just I just I wasn't

[00:06:39] immersed in this.

[00:06:40] I was a little bored at the beginning

[00:06:41] and I don't know if that was just

[00:06:42] the pace of it you know.

[00:06:44] Yeah.

[00:06:45] And then once I lost interest I just

[00:06:48] couldn't get back into it.

[00:06:50] But this is about

[00:06:54] so there's a couple different characters.

[00:06:57] Cam and his wife Jules are kind of in

[00:07:01] the current timeframe and then Ruby

[00:07:06] is his adoptive mother.

[00:07:08] Her name is Ruby McTavish and if you

[00:07:12] she was married four times so it's

[00:07:15] Ruby McTavish Callahan Woodward

[00:07:17] Miller Kinmore.

[00:07:18] Okay.

[00:07:19] Uh-huh.

[00:07:20] All of her husbands died

[00:07:23] in different ways.

[00:07:25] Mysteriously.

[00:07:27] So since her last husband was Kinmore

[00:07:30] they called her Mrs. Kilmore so she

[00:07:32] like since all of her husbands were

[00:07:34] dead.

[00:07:35] So she is the wealthiest woman in

[00:07:38] North Carolina.

[00:07:39] I guess so if you took all those

[00:07:40] rich men's money.

[00:07:42] And she already came from money.

[00:07:44] Oh yes McTavish.

[00:07:46] Yes and the McTavish's own

[00:07:49] Ashby house which is actually her

[00:07:51] mother's maiden name so it's her mother's

[00:07:53] money.

[00:07:54] Oh my gosh.

[00:07:55] And it's this mansion that's near the

[00:07:57] Biltmore.

[00:07:58] I was going to say it sounds like it's

[00:07:59] supposed to be Biltmore.

[00:08:00] Right but there's no like towards

[00:08:02] you can't go there like they live

[00:08:03] there that was their home kind of

[00:08:04] thing.

[00:08:05] But over the years it hasn't been

[00:08:06] fully kept up because that's a lot

[00:08:08] of money that needs to go into that.

[00:08:10] Ruby has since passed away it's been

[00:08:12] about 10 years since she passed and

[00:08:14] she left Cam everything.

[00:08:17] And he has not touched any of the

[00:08:19] inheritance money he left when he was

[00:08:21] 18 and was like good written.

[00:08:23] These people are awful.

[00:08:25] I don't have anything to do with this

[00:08:27] family.

[00:08:28] I think he loved Ruby but the family

[00:08:30] members the McTavish family are just

[00:08:32] money hungry psychos.

[00:08:34] And so he always felt really

[00:08:37] unwanted so she adopted him after

[00:08:40] like all the husbands had died and

[00:08:42] decided that she wanted to have a

[00:08:44] child.

[00:08:45] Gotcha.

[00:08:46] And he was I think three at the

[00:08:48] time she adopted him and all of his

[00:08:50] cousins and the aunts and the uncles

[00:08:52] were really mean to him because

[00:08:54] they're like he's going to inherit

[00:08:56] our inheritance and he's not even a

[00:08:58] member of our family.

[00:09:00] And so they treated him as such.

[00:09:02] Wow.

[00:09:03] Yeah it's pretty bad.

[00:09:04] And Ruby you know tried to

[00:09:07] I don't know tried to give him all

[00:09:11] the things but she was a little

[00:09:13] messed up herself and so it just

[00:09:15] his childhood was a little traumatic.

[00:09:17] I can imagine that Ruby was a little

[00:09:19] like I can imagine.

[00:09:21] He lived in like this mansion and

[00:09:23] his room looked like it was out of

[00:09:25] old ladies nursing home

[00:09:28] like he even mentioned like it looks

[00:09:30] like an assisted living home it was

[00:09:32] you know like a canopy bed with

[00:09:34] matching drapery that was like mauve

[00:09:36] and she's like a 12 year old boy

[00:09:38] like what am I doing you know

[00:09:40] but nothing could be changed because

[00:09:42] it was Ashby house.

[00:09:43] Of course.

[00:09:44] The traditions and all this stuff.

[00:09:46] So he leaves

[00:09:48] he now lives with his wife

[00:09:50] Jules and

[00:09:52] they live a simple life

[00:09:54] since she's been passed on

[00:09:56] he keeps getting messages from

[00:09:58] the family members asking him to

[00:10:00] like settle things because he hasn't

[00:10:02] fully done all the things he needed

[00:10:04] to do when she passed.

[00:10:06] They're still living in Ashby house.

[00:10:08] Oh yeah.

[00:10:10] And they caught they message him

[00:10:11] when they need money for things.

[00:10:13] Of course.

[00:10:14] To repair yeah.

[00:10:16] Awful.

[00:10:17] He has pretty awful so the people

[00:10:19] that are remaining are her sister

[00:10:21] Nell

[00:10:23] and her grandchildren Libby

[00:10:25] and Ben and most recently

[00:10:28] her son has passed away

[00:10:30] he was like an alcoholic and he got

[00:10:32] in a car accident and he passed away.

[00:10:34] So since he passed away

[00:10:36] Ben the cousin has been

[00:10:38] reaching out to him being like

[00:10:40] you really need to come back

[00:10:42] and get all everything in order

[00:10:44] like things aren't finalized here

[00:10:47] and he knows that they're trying to

[00:10:49] get him to hand over everything

[00:10:51] because they have made

[00:10:53] pretty clear that they don't think

[00:10:55] that he deserves it and that it should

[00:10:57] have gone to their grandmother now

[00:10:59] and not down to them

[00:11:00] and then down to them and not to

[00:11:02] Cam who's like no relation to them.

[00:11:04] Jules has been like pressuring

[00:11:06] him to go because she wants

[00:11:08] to like see Ashby house and she

[00:11:10] thinks that it's kind of neat and in her mind

[00:11:12] it's theirs and like they should

[00:11:14] kick out the remaining people

[00:11:16] and stay there but she hasn't like told

[00:11:18] him that because he's made it very clear

[00:11:20] that he doesn't want to have anything

[00:11:22] to do with it and it has bad memories

[00:11:24] for him. So

[00:11:26] she gets him

[00:11:28] to go

[00:11:30] and we also have an aspect of the

[00:11:32] story where we're hearing Ruby

[00:11:34] read out letters that she's written

[00:11:36] we don't know who that she's writing to

[00:11:38] really but she's telling her story

[00:11:40] of every husband

[00:11:42] that died and how they died and what

[00:11:44] happened and what the aftermath of the situations

[00:11:46] were. The four husbands of Ruby McTavish

[00:11:48] correct.

[00:11:50] And so we started to hear you know what

[00:11:52] actually happened another thing

[00:11:54] of note this is like one of the biggest

[00:11:56] things I guess in the storyline is that

[00:11:58] when she was three years old she was

[00:12:00] on a picnic in the woods with her family

[00:12:02] near Ashby house on the property

[00:12:04] and she was kidnapped. Oh

[00:12:06] and she was gone for months

[00:12:08] and they found her

[00:12:10] with like a man

[00:12:12] who I don't remember if he did like landscape

[00:12:14] for them or something but

[00:12:16] she was living with his family and he

[00:12:18] said that his wife had had a daughter

[00:12:20] similar to Ruby's age

[00:12:22] named Dora that died

[00:12:24] and his wife was so distraught

[00:12:26] that when he saw her in the woods. Did he

[00:12:28] stole a child for his wife?

[00:12:30] That's the story.

[00:12:32] Okay.

[00:12:34] And so they finally get her back

[00:12:36] and

[00:12:38] his wife was already pregnant with Nell

[00:12:40] at the time because they were

[00:12:42] like going to replace Ruby

[00:12:44] stop.

[00:12:46] And so now has already had

[00:12:48] issues with Ruby her whole life because

[00:12:50] then Ruby came back into the picture and then

[00:12:52] she was kind of an afterthought

[00:12:54] She was despair.

[00:12:56] Yeah.

[00:12:58] So there's just lots of resentment

[00:13:00] lots of family trauma. They're

[00:13:02] all spoiled.

[00:13:04] You know, so there's some revelations

[00:13:06] that come about that

[00:13:08] I kind of picked up on

[00:13:10] right but I guess I could see how you

[00:13:12] wouldn't pick up on it and

[00:13:14] if you're not an astute reader

[00:13:16] you're not, you know

[00:13:18] aware you don't read regularly

[00:13:20] and mysteries but

[00:13:22] right away

[00:13:24] now I'm doing Trump

[00:13:28] right away I knew

[00:13:30] who he was.

[00:13:32] So yeah

[00:13:34] I mean it's your regular thriller

[00:13:36] I'm sorry

[00:13:38] I want more Trump

[00:13:40] People are who they seem to be

[00:13:42] but I knew I figured it out

[00:13:44] way ahead of time

[00:13:46] like faster than anybody ever could

[00:13:48] in the whole world could figure it out

[00:13:50] I knew, I already knew because everyone else

[00:13:52] is stupid

[00:13:56] So anyways, yeah

[00:13:58] Lat Cam was kind of

[00:14:00] he was supposed to be the hero

[00:14:02] of the story and he just wasn't like overly

[00:14:04] interesting

[00:14:06] and they were all just so awful

[00:14:08] so it was just like there was no characters that I really liked

[00:14:10] one of those books

[00:14:12] but some people like those

[00:14:14] books where you don't like anyone

[00:14:16] I usually need someone

[00:14:18] I have to have someone that I like

[00:14:20] or someone that's at least interesting if they're not likeable

[00:14:24] So I don't know, I would say this is

[00:14:26] maybe a three

[00:14:28] Okay, fair enough

[00:14:30] Tell me about your book

[00:14:32] I'm sorry

[00:14:34] I still can't get over Trump

[00:14:36] I didn't mean to do Trump because he came out and was like that's fun

[00:14:38] No, it made me so happy

[00:14:42] So I read The Sicilian Inheritance

[00:14:44] by Joe Piazza

[00:14:46] Okay

[00:14:48] So I think you would like this one

[00:14:50] because it takes place in Sicily

[00:14:52] Cool

[00:14:54] Sarah

[00:14:56] whose full name is Sarah Fina

[00:14:58] but she goes by Sarah

[00:15:00] Her aunt Rosie

[00:15:02] has recently passed away

[00:15:04] and she was very very close to Rosie

[00:15:06] and Rosie's kind of like

[00:15:08] dying wish

[00:15:10] is for Sarah to take this

[00:15:12] trip to Sicily

[00:15:14] that the two of them were planning to take together

[00:15:16] and Sarah just like never made time

[00:15:18] for it which she feels terrible about

[00:15:20] so she's like okay clearly I've got to go make this

[00:15:22] trip happen

[00:15:24] so

[00:15:26] Sarah a little background on her

[00:15:28] she is

[00:15:30] I don't know if she's separated or divorced

[00:15:32] I feel like she's separated in the midst of a divorce

[00:15:34] and she has a small

[00:15:36] child maybe like five

[00:15:38] Okay

[00:15:40] and it was very contentious with her husband

[00:15:42] because she actually owned

[00:15:44] a restaurant and like

[00:15:46] gave all of her time to the restaurant

[00:15:48] and none to her family

[00:15:50] but her restaurant has recently gone south

[00:15:52] so

[00:15:54] she's just not in a good place right now

[00:15:56] so she's like you know what I'm just picking up

[00:15:58] and I'm going to Sicily and I'm going on this trip

[00:16:00] so when she gets there

[00:16:02] she has a note

[00:16:04] from Rosie

[00:16:06] that had been sent ahead of time I think

[00:16:08] and she reads it and it says

[00:16:10] the real reason I wanted you to go to

[00:16:12] Sicily is because I want you to find out

[00:16:14] what happened to my mother

[00:16:16] Okay

[00:16:18] years ago

[00:16:20] when Rosie was a baby

[00:16:22] her

[00:16:24] dad

[00:16:26] and her three brothers and she

[00:16:28] moved to the United States

[00:16:30] but her mother

[00:16:32] stayed behind

[00:16:34] supposedly to

[00:16:36] sell off a piece of land that they had

[00:16:38] and then she was going to join them in America

[00:16:40] but she never joined them in America

[00:16:42] okay and the story

[00:16:44] was that she got the flu

[00:16:46] and passed away

[00:16:48] but Rosie doesn't think this is true

[00:16:50] okay

[00:16:52] so

[00:16:54] Sarah, Sarah Fina

[00:16:56] is like okay well now I have to go find out

[00:16:58] what happened and she also has to deal with this plot of land

[00:17:00] that she's just learned that she inherited

[00:17:02] oh because it never got sold

[00:17:04] it never got sold

[00:17:06] how crazy

[00:17:08] can we have a relative

[00:17:10] who has a plot of land in Sicily

[00:17:12] you forgot to sell it right

[00:17:14] so the other thing is

[00:17:16] Sarah, so Rosie is her

[00:17:18] I don't know if it's

[00:17:20] aunt or great aunt

[00:17:22] but anyway the mother that died

[00:17:24] her name is also Sarah Fina

[00:17:26] and she went by Sarah Fina

[00:17:28] okay so sorry this is just a little

[00:17:30] so my great grandmother

[00:17:32] her name was Josephine Piazza

[00:17:34] interesting

[00:17:36] Solaria, it's her married name

[00:17:38] but

[00:17:40] my, I don't know

[00:17:42] some people in the family like one of my aunts included

[00:17:44] always called her Sarah Fina

[00:17:46] oh interesting

[00:17:48] I don't know why but she was

[00:17:50] she always called her Sarah Fina

[00:17:52] interesting so we have

[00:17:54] present day Sarah Fina who goes by Sarah

[00:17:56] and then we have

[00:17:58] Sarah Fina in the past and we hear both of their stories

[00:18:00] it's like a dual timeline kind of thing

[00:18:02] yeah

[00:18:04] and the bottom line

[00:18:06] is that basically Sicily

[00:18:08] is not a safe place for women on their own

[00:18:10] that is like a true

[00:18:12] I mean, I don't know

[00:18:14] but that's like a theme of the book

[00:18:16] women need to watch their backs in Sicily

[00:18:18] really? yeah

[00:18:20] okay because

[00:18:22] Sarah Fina when she is

[00:18:24] left behind

[00:18:26] to quote unquote sell this plot of land

[00:18:28] like things are not easy for her

[00:18:30] and then when Sarah

[00:18:32] goes to Sicily there's just some

[00:18:34] shady characters that like

[00:18:36] maybe don't want her to have this land

[00:18:38] maybe don't want her to be there

[00:18:40] and she's

[00:18:42] kind of you know

[00:18:44] doesn't always feel super safe while she's there

[00:18:46] so wouldn't

[00:18:48] especially back then wouldn't the husband

[00:18:50] be aware that it would be difficult for her to sell

[00:18:52] the land by herself? yeah I don't want

[00:18:54] to say too much about that because it's just an interesting

[00:18:56] situation and it's her land

[00:18:58] it's not his okay

[00:19:00] and like it was given to her for a specific

[00:19:02] purpose okay but you learn about all

[00:19:04] that in the book he really

[00:19:06] didn't want to leave without her got it

[00:19:08] so wouldn't like something weird nefarious

[00:19:10] with him? no okay

[00:19:12] anyway

[00:19:14] um yeah it was an interesting

[00:19:16] story I

[00:19:18] didn't love the part that

[00:19:20] Sicily is not safe

[00:19:22] for women I don't know if it really is in real life

[00:19:24] but

[00:19:26] I don't know if it's true or if it was just

[00:19:28] there to kind of add drama to the

[00:19:30] story which you know and just

[00:19:32] background we both have Sicilian heritage

[00:19:34] yes so that's why I'm like

[00:19:36] I don't want to hear that Sicily is not safe for me

[00:19:38] yeah when I'm going there in a couple of

[00:19:40] months I mean I'll be with 30 people but

[00:19:42] think you'll be okay I think I'll be

[00:19:44] fine um

[00:19:46] but yeah I think again you would enjoy it because

[00:19:48] it was I mean obviously it takes

[00:19:50] place in Sicily and so it's just very

[00:19:52] interesting from that perspective like

[00:19:54] um and then you get to hear about

[00:19:56] kind of old world Sicily

[00:19:58] when our grandparents or great-grandparents

[00:20:00] were living there

[00:20:02] my grandmother my grandparents never lived

[00:20:04] there but my great-grandparents did

[00:20:06] me too um mine mine as well yes

[00:20:08] and there's a little bit of like the

[00:20:10] mafioso connection and all that kind of

[00:20:12] stuff so it's very interesting

[00:20:14] yeah very cool yeah anything

[00:20:16] about about Italy and Sicily

[00:20:18] specifically in a book I think I would

[00:20:20] enjoy just because there's so much

[00:20:22] history culture

[00:20:24] in my own life right so

[00:20:26] it's it's interesting to see how that

[00:20:28] would be if we all still live

[00:20:30] there oh yeah so I am

[00:20:34] trying to like read as many

[00:20:36] like Italians Sicilian

[00:20:38] books as I can before I go

[00:20:40] um and I'm trying to learn Italian

[00:20:42] so there's these audio books you can

[00:20:44] download the Pimsler method I don't know

[00:20:46] if you ever heard of that but it's

[00:20:48] basically like like the

[00:20:50] I don't know when I was little

[00:20:52] my dad used to have these Spanish tapes

[00:20:54] that he would listen to while he

[00:20:56] drove and he just

[00:20:58] sit there and it would be like say

[00:21:00] blah blah blah and he would say blah

[00:21:02] blah blah and it's very similar to that

[00:21:04] so I'm like walking around the house going

[00:21:06] io capisco l'italiano

[00:21:08] but uh

[00:21:10] I'm not very foreign but I feel like

[00:21:12] I'm learning it pretty well that's

[00:21:14] pretty cool it's been fun yeah connecting

[00:21:16] to my heritage right

[00:21:18] we should pick a joint novel

[00:21:20] it's like Italian Sicilian

[00:21:22] or Sicilian novel okay

[00:21:24] you know I actually there's a memoir

[00:21:26] that I can't remember the name of all the top

[00:21:28] of my head I have it somewhere in my notes on my phone

[00:21:30] okay um and it's a lady that's either

[00:21:32] from Sicily or she was taking a trip to Sicily

[00:21:34] I can't remember somebody told me about

[00:21:36] it at the conference okay and she was

[00:21:38] like you have to read this okay okay

[00:21:40] alright so maybe that's

[00:21:42] it yeah maybe that's it okay

[00:21:44] alright the tea

[00:21:46] that we're drinking um

[00:21:48] it's really good I didn't

[00:21:50] know if I would like it so

[00:21:52] thank you Carrie for sending us this

[00:21:54] um

[00:21:56] I can't remember she sent me a package of something

[00:21:58] and there was just a couple of tea bags

[00:22:00] just hanging out in there it was like oh fun

[00:22:02] um so this is the brand is Yorkshire Tea

[00:22:04] and

[00:22:06] I guess the flavor is breakfasty

[00:22:08] toast and jam

[00:22:10] I definitely get the jammy

[00:22:12] a little bit it's not overpowering

[00:22:14] by any means it's a very

[00:22:16] dark brew yeah it is

[00:22:18] like physically

[00:22:20] smells really good like I feel like if you

[00:22:22] walked into a store and it smelled like this

[00:22:24] I wasn't sure

[00:22:26] like I don't like jam

[00:22:28] or jelly or any of those things

[00:22:30] I was kind of like oh I don't know but it's very

[00:22:32] very delicious it is you don't like jam

[00:22:34] or jelly at all

[00:22:36] like you don't like um like a raspberry filling

[00:22:38] in a cake you know

[00:22:40] oh gosh okay

[00:22:42] no I don't want any

[00:22:44] of those fruity fillings in my cake really

[00:22:46] ruin the cake like that oh wow okay

[00:22:48] okay interesting

[00:22:50] I suspect it has something to do

[00:22:52] with the whole like mixing

[00:22:54] things that bothers

[00:22:56] me about food

[00:22:58] I don't know um it's interesting because

[00:23:00] I taste the jammyness but I also taste

[00:23:02] kind of like the buttery

[00:23:04] yeastiness of toast yeah and it works

[00:23:06] perfectly together maybe I need

[00:23:08] to try toast and jam I don't know

[00:23:10] maybe I would like it you should but if you do

[00:23:12] you have to get good jam

[00:23:14] so there's like French

[00:23:16] jam at the grocery store

[00:23:18] they'll say like French on it and it's like

[00:23:20] there's specific ones and they're so much better

[00:23:22] than just like don't just get

[00:23:24] regular jam I'm not

[00:23:26] actually not going to try toast and jam but

[00:23:28] well

[00:23:30] anyway okay

[00:23:34] maybe someday there's so many things

[00:23:36] that I learned about you

[00:23:38] today I learned that you don't like jam

[00:23:40] and I know you don't like sandwiches

[00:23:42] no and I know you don't like sushi

[00:23:44] and I don't like fillings

[00:23:46] in my cakes and you don't like fillings in your cake

[00:23:48] yep it's

[00:23:50] craziness well I'm sure

[00:23:52] there's foods that you don't like so

[00:23:54] nope nope

[00:23:56] you know everything about me

[00:23:58] I feel like you're withholding

[00:24:00] I don't like it I don't like

[00:24:02] it at all alright let me think of all the other

[00:24:04] foods I don't like and I'll give you a list okay

[00:24:08] alright well on that note cheers

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